There's something interesting to me about the following passages:
"Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are righteousness and strength.' " All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame. But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel will be found righteous and will exult." (Isaiah 45)
"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2)
If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord,"and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10)
To summarize, the Old Testament says that all the descendents of Israel will be found righteous, and the New Testament says that there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles (at least if they call on Jesus). The Old Testament verse indicates that those who have "raged against" God will be put to shame, yet the New Testament says that everyone who trusts in Jesus (which, contextually, seems to be synonymous with confessing his Lordship) will never be put to shame. Most importantly, everyone will someday acknowledge that Jesus is Lord, and anyone who acknowledges Jesus' Lordship will be saved. So who goes to Hell?
There is that bit about everyone "in heaven and on earth and under the earth", which people take to mean the dead Christians in heaven, the dead sinners in hell, and some group of people who for some reason are still on earth. Personally I'm not sure where we get this idea that Christians will inhabit heaven, so I'm immediately a bit suspicious of this interpretation. I think it makes more sense to read this as talking about angels in heaven, demons in hell, and humans on earth (the old one or the new, I don't care). Based on the curious relationships between these three passages, it almost looks to me like no humans are damned.
I know I'm distorting scripture and taking stuff out of context and being selective and twisting it to fit my preconceptions and all that terrible stuff. I know Matthew 25 seems to indicate that some people go to hell. (But which people?) Yes, I have unorthodox views about damnation, but no, I don't feel the need to justify them with scripture. This little exegetical project is just the extension of a "waitaminnit" moment I had the other day. It just struck me as interesting that the clearest verse on salvation (or it might be more accurate to say the most popular verse on salvation) says that all who confess Jesus' lordship are saved, while a popular judgment day verse says that everyone will one day do just that, which begs the question of why we would not all be saved. Interesting - that's all I'm saying.
Most conservative Christians wouldn't consider such an unorthodox proposition as a second chance for salvation after death. ("Most", in this case would not include Brother Clive.) Most people would take it for granted that the confess/believe method of salvation works only before death, which is a reasonable (though unprovable) interpretation. But I can't imagine why God would still condemn people to hell if they confess his lordship after death. It just doesn't make sense. Unless this confession is involuntary or forced, isn't it a) what God wants from us in exchange for salvation and b) suggesting that all people desire Christ's lordship at this point, and would prefer fellowship with him to eternal separation? I suppose you could interpret this as rebellious people saying "We recognize your greatness and power, but we want nothing to do with you", but it seems like a stretch. The very act of saying "You are Lord" suggest submission, and if the confession is done willingly, then the submission would be willing too. In any case, the confess & believe formula (Ro 9) says nothing about the attitude of your heart, so it seems to me that even reluctant belief would qualify for salvation. (Again, take Lewis as an example.)
Again, I'm not pretending that this is the "correct" interpretable of the Bible, or that it somehow harmonizes with all other verses on the subject, but frankly, there aren't many better interpretations out there. I absolutely reject the just-say-the-prayer theory of salvation. To me it seems neither logical nor fully Biblical. James, John, and Jesus (to name a few) all believed that there is no salvation without action. Not that action is required for salvation, but that if there is salvation, actions will result. No action, no salvation.
(By the by, in NT times they actually used the presence of the Spirit people's lives as proof of salvation. These days we have it reversed: we use our salvation as proof that we have the Spirit. In the same vein, these days Christians see people being saved and infer that the Spirit is at work. Back then sinners saw the Spirit at work, and consequently became saved. Weird, eh?)
Of course, this whole no hell theory assumes that God is a fairly reasonable, loving, egalitarian kind of guy. If God is a fundamentalist, a sadist, or anything like the way he comes across in certain portions of the Old Testament, all bets are off.
[+/-] I'm Not Really a Hell Guy |
[+/-] Something Like a Creed |
Kinda wish I could figure stuff out. You know, come to some conclusions. Or even just keep my thoughts straight. I'm painfully aware that the search for truth is beyond me. I'm a blind man in a basement, searching for the sun. Every so often my thoughts get all tangled up and I forget what I'm thinking or where I'm going, and then I have to stop and sift through my memory and dredge up some thought I had a year ago that necessitates the things I do today. Maybe I should write out what I know.
- I exist.
- I am imperfect.
- I have desires that are unfulfilled.
- There is an external world that more or less resembles my perceptions.
- I am not (especially) insane.
- I am worthy of love.
- I was not made to exist as I do now. I was meant for something different or more.
- There is a God whose attributes are similar to those seen in the Bible.
- The universe was created by God.
- God was and is involved in our world in a wide variety of ways, both tangible and intangible.
- God loves me.
- God's love is less evident to me than it ought to be. Something inhibits him from showing his love, or me from perceiving it. I'm not sure what this might be, but I suspect that it will remain this way for the rest of my life.
- I will die some day, and then I will experience the love and intimacy with God that I desire.
- The Bible is largely a result of revelations of God - times when he was more visibly active in the world, or the experiences of people to whom he spoke more clearly. It contains both truth and error.
- I have friends and family who love me. These people are somehow an expression (though an imperfect one) of God's love for me.
- I am unhappy.
- I have a strong desire to discover truth, or failing that, to expose falsehood.
- I don't have the necessary abilities to accomplish these goals.
- I will likely continue to identify myself as a Christian for some time.
- Identifying one's self as a Christian (or fitting other's definitions of a Christian) is not necessary for having a relationship with God, either before or after death. Conversely, being a Christian (by any conventional definition) does not assure you of anything - no specific divine promises, no certain feelings or experience, no ticket to "heaven".
- What you believe is far less important (both practically and in the eyes of God) than the motives behind your beliefs, and how you act them. No sincere beliefs - even those that I feel are irrational or morally abhorrent - are inherently wrong or damning. If there is one thing necessary for pleasing God it might be humility.
- God is not an irrational being, but neither does he act in ways that can be anticipated or understood by humans.
- I cannot fully understand another person's circumstances, motives, feelings or thoughts. Therefore as much as possible I should avoid passing judgment on others, and not presume to know them.
- I cannot fully understand my own circumstances, motives, feelings or thoughts. As much as possible I should not regard myself as an expert on me.
- The purpose of my life is to increase in love and service of others. This should be my goal and should override all other pursuits, with the possible exception of the search for truth.
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